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Author:  Anon [ 19 Dec 2008, 10:57 ]
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A.C. Thompson has a devastating piece in The Nation this week describing the all-white militia that took up arms to defend one of the few neighborhoods in New Orleans to stay dry after Hurricane Katrina broke the levees in 2005:

Facing an influx of refugees, the residents of Algiers Point could have pulled together food, water and medical supplies for the flood victims. Instead, a group of white residents, convinced that crime would arrive with the human exodus, sought to seal off the area, blocking the roads in and out of the neighborhood by dragging lumber and downed trees into the streets. They stockpiled handguns, assault rifles, shotguns and at least one Uzi and began patrolling the streets in pickup trucks and SUVs. The newly formed militia, a loose band of about fifteen to thirty residents, most of them men, all of them white, was looking for thieves, outlaws or, as one member put it, anyone who simply "didn't belong."

It started out as a classic case of paranoiac overreaction to fears of looting and rioting and whatever else it is those black people do -- rather like the reaction you saw in sundown towns in the 1920s, which were similar in being "defended communities," to supposed threats of black depredations -- but quickly morphed into something else altogether:

Fellow militia member Wayne Janak, 60, a carpenter and contractor, is more forthcoming with me. "Three people got shot in just one day!" he tells me, laughing. We're sitting in his home, a boxy beige-and-pink structure on a corner about five blocks from Daigle's Grocery. "Three of them got hit right here in this intersection with a riot gun," he says, motioning toward the streets outside his home. Janak tells me he assumed the shooting victims, who were African-American, were looters because they were carrying sneakers and baseball caps with them. He guessed that the property had been stolen from a nearby shopping mall. According to Janak, a neighbor "unloaded a riot gun"--a shotgun--"on them. We chased them down."

Janak, who was carrying a pistol, says he grabbed one of the suspected looters and considered killing him, but decided to be merciful. "I rolled him over in the grass and saw that he'd been hit in the back with the riot gun," he tells me. "I thought that was good enough. I said, 'Go back to your neighborhood so people will know Algiers Point is not a place you go for a vacation. We're not doing tours right now.'"

He's equally blunt in Welcome to New Orleans, an hourlong documentary produced by the Danish video team, who captured Janak, beer in hand, gloating about hunting humans. Surrounded by a crowd of sunburned white Algiers Point locals at a barbeque held not long after the hurricane, he smiles and tells the camera, "It was great! It was like pheasant season in South Dakota. If it moved, you shot it." A native of Chicago, Janak also boasts of becoming a true Southerner, saying, "I am no longer a Yankee. I earned my wings." A white woman standing next to him adds, "He understands the N-word now." In this neighborhood, she continues, "we take care of our own."

Janak, who says he'd been armed with two .38s and a shotgun, brags about keeping the bloody shirt worn by a shooting victim as a trophy. When "looters" showed up in the neighborhood, "they left full of buckshot," he brags, adding, "You know what? Algiers Point is not a pussy community."

... Some of the gunmen prowling Algiers Point were out to wage a race war, says one woman whose uncle and two cousins joined the cause. A former New Orleanian, this source spoke to me anonymously because she fears her relatives could be prosecuted for their crimes. "My uncle was very excited that it was a free-for-all--white against black--that he could participate in," says the woman. "For him, the opportunity to hunt black people was a joy."

"They didn't want any of the 'ghetto niggers' coming over" from the east side of the river, she says, adding that her relatives viewed African-Americans who wandered into Algiers Point as "fair game." One of her cousins, a young man in his 20s, sent an e-mail to her and several other family members describing his adventures with the militia. He had attached a photo in which he posed next to an African-American man who'd been fatally shot. The tone of the e-mail, she says, was "gleeful"--her cousin was happy that "they were shooting niggers."

The only problem is, this article was written and the video was edited by someone trying to prove something. It takes no consideration to show the actual looters who robbed some people blind. Nor does it talk about the increase in murders during the looting of New Orleans..... Id love to see what BayouGrl knows about this..... I bet she sees a lot of reports about this kind of stuff going both ways down south.

The videos powerful, but it makes no effort to interview the shooters in a balanced manner, instead it simply gets them drunk and asks them about shooting blacks

Author:  mzziqztixl [ 19 Dec 2008, 14:58 ]
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Honestly, is there any fucking way this could be fair and balanced? I mean, pheasants in season? This is inexcusable. I recommend torture until their hearts stop beating.

Author:  Anon [ 19 Dec 2008, 17:41 ]
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well, had they actually interviewed them the same way they interviewed the blacks..... what they should do is go in the hood and ask 'what kind of cool shit did you get during katrina?

Author:  mzziqztixl [ 19 Dec 2008, 17:44 ]
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undeniably so.

and i would fucking scream for them to hang as well..

but shooting a nigger like its quail season qualifies as grounds for elimination from the gene pool imo.

Author:  Anon [ 19 Dec 2008, 20:27 ]
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i dont disagree. I suppose it pays to make an effort to get to know ALL of your neighbors.

Author:  YerlA [ 20 Dec 2008, 10:06 ]
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mzziqztixl wrote:
Honestly, is there any fucking way this could be fair and balanced? I mean, pheasants in season? This is inexcusable. I recommend torture until their hearts stop beating.

and I second have to set the example

Author:  Anon [ 20 Dec 2008, 19:37 ]
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So is it ok for the government to torture now?

Author:  mzziqztixl [ 20 Dec 2008, 22:05 ]
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Author:  Anon [ 21 Dec 2008, 09:47 ]
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to be honest, id rather they torture than not torture. As long as they are up front about it and just say so. it doesnt create more terrorists. It creates less terrorists.

Author:  mzziqztixl [ 21 Dec 2008, 11:59 ]
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torture doesn't create terrorism. our foreign policies do.

Author:  Anon [ 21 Dec 2008, 17:54 ]
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i agree. i truly think that torture does not create more terrorists. They torture in much of Europe and latin America.

Author:  BayouGirl [ 22 Dec 2008, 16:25 ]
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Wow, it is so hard to respond to this stupid shit. It has completely pissed me off. Of course, they will take the most stupid fucking racist rednecks and interview and make a documentary with these jackasses. Its really sad that this is how the world will see New Orleans.

Of course, they wont talk about the people that did stay. How those people in the neighborhoods looked out for their neighbors. How those with enough supplies to stay helped out those who didnt have enough. How the people that stayed watched out for their neighbors and their neighbor's property. How some of those who "looted" actually only took items of necessity not the radios and the tvs or the shoes that the media so graciously showed on the tv all the time.

This sickens me. Yes, there were probably people out there that took advantage of the situation and used it as an opportunity to "hunt niggers" but trust me, the majority was not like that at all. The way the communities came together during and after Katrina was something that Ive never experienced before. It was amazing. It didn't matter what color or what background you came from, everyone helped everyone. Everyone was in the same situation and we all wanted to get out of it together.

And as far as this article is talking about it being in Algiers Point. Ive never heard any stories coming from Algiers Point. In Fact, the people that live in Algiers Point are rich people. This part of New Orleans is actually on the west bank, which is where I am from. It is a historic and beautiful town. Most of the residents in Algiers Point are very well off, my aunt owns a block in Algiers Point. My point of this is that they are rich and have well enough means to get their asses out of the city. I really doubt these were residents of Algiers Point, more like those on the outskirts of the city.

If you want to read about residents not letting in other people google Gretna Police Department. They are the fuckers that wouldnt let anybody in. They are the reason so many people were stranded on a bridge. Those people had to get on the high rises to escape the rising waters and when coming over to the westbank to seek dry ground, they were met by policeman with guns telling them they could not cross into their city of gretna.

There are soooooo many stories of Katrina, good and bad. I could go on forever telling all of them or, just my own story with Katrina but it just pisses me off so much to see that the stupid shit like this "documentary" is what is shown to the world.

You want to watch a documentary that actually depicts the event in the most real way? Watch Spike Lee's "When The Levees Broke". He did a great job on interviewing all types of people that went through the storm along with local city officials and the DJ's that were on the air the entire time. The movie is pretty long but if you want to know the real shit that happened with Katrina and not some stupid redneck fuckers that are just trying to get on tv, watch that.

Author:  BayouGirl [ 22 Dec 2008, 16:26 ]
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Oh and I cant see the video here at work. Maybe thats a good thing!

Author:  dageaux [ 23 Dec 2008, 20:39 ]
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OK real life shit here. This sensationalist bullshit really pisses me off. I worked for the local government during Katrina, I rode the storm out in a cinder-block building (bunker) less than 100 yards from the Mississippi River, and only a few miles from Algiers Point. I was a rescue worker. I spent 2 months working 16-20 hour days 7 days a week. I saw it all. I saw the best in people and the worst in people.

This article is blatantly racist in nature and while I will not deny that these people may not have been right in what they did, the denizens of Down-town New Orleans (read black Ghetto dwellers) were robbing the city and everyone in it blind. Workers and volunteers were either armed or escorted by armed guards. Law abiding citizens were terrified, alone, and generally left to fend for themselves. Businesses were cleaned out, homes were robbed en masse, and chaos was the order of the day.

I talked to National guard that shot looters, punctured their lungs and sank their sorry asses in the river. I saw (firsthand) assholes climb on top of grocery stores and claim that all the contents belonged to them and shoot anyone that came near. I heard radio transmissions of people shooting firemen and police across the river because it was near impossible to cross the river and they were "fair game". I saw bullet holes in rescue helicopters. I saw people interviewed on tv while standing in line at food centers saying things like "I dun care about all these peoples I just wants mines" (I will let you guess what color they were) I saw GROSS abuse of charity and volunteer workers. I saw people who lost nothing hording any and every handout they could get, I personally know a man who made $90K/year and had little to no damage to his home running out every day to the food and water trucks and taking all that he could carry or con them out of and stockpiling it a year later that sorry fucker still had MRE's and bottled water.

I also saw people cleaning up their neighborhoods themselves not whining "Where's the gub'ment" and taking in strangers and feeding them. I saw restaurant owners opening their doors and feeding any and all who walked in for free. I saw people coming from as far away as Canada to help. I saw volunteers that brought their businesses to our area and gave away products. I saw private and corporate boats coming in to docks loaded with personal items food and water that were either donated or sponsored and just unloading them to anyone who was in need and giving the rest to rescue workers for distribution. I saw people who lost everything working 18 hours a day to help others salvage what little was not damaged or destroyed.

Looters were shot, I don't have a problem with that. But every single person I talked to whether police, fire, national guard, or deputized citizen said the same thing: If they were stealing food, water, clothing or basic necessities they were let go, if they were stealing property, (what kind of dumb ass steals a fucking flat screen TV in 4 feet of water?) jewelry, or material goods they were shot on sight, and sunk in the river. I know plenty of folks that were ok the day after the storm, but a week later their homes, boats, and livelihoods were stolen by worthless fucks.

I have no pity for people trying to force their way into a neighborhood with the intent of looting. The bottom line is that Algiers point is a dead end, these people weren't passing through on their way out or to high ground, they were there to steal, destroy, and generally cause mayhem. Looks to me that they found at least a little of what they were looking for. My only regret is that I was not armed myself, because I would have sunk a few of the fuckers in the river myself.

The other thing that this article fails to mention is how if a white man was caught ANY FUCKING TIME BEFORE KATRINA in the Desire Projects he was as good as dead. Desire Projects has since been condemned and fenced off with razor wire. I myself got lost one time down there and ended up with my car was surrounded by blacks who were banging on my windows and doors trying to get in to me and the only reason I survived was because I had the good sense to run a few of the bastards over and not slow down until I was back in a safe area.

Speak not of what you do not know.

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