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 Post subject: anti Web shopping?
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2010, 12:43 
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I'm conflicted. The internet is the most brilliant manifestation of the invisible hand I can think of. It's also not completely true that none of the money ends up back locally when you make a purchase over the internet. But it's all about the bottom line right? Or is it?

I'm not trolling here either, it actually got me thinking a lot about the inherent social responsibility attached to spending power.

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 Post subject: Re: anti Web shopping?
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2010, 12:57 
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there are also an number of small businesses that have websites/online ordering in conjunction or instead of physical stores. the biggest complainers about internet purchasing are those who either don't have sites, or get their 12 yr old neice to do it for them and it sucks. (never underestimate the power of good site design to get people to spend their money!) internet shopping is no more competition than big-box stores.

now, if there's a local store that offers what i need at a reasonable price, i'm more likely to shop there, and i think most people are the same way. but theres not always a local store for everything. plus theres inherent risk if you're making a large purchase. like buying that refurb'd 360, only to find out on christmas morning that it's broken and the store's gone out of business.... not to mention many of the mom'n'pops can be almost twice as expensive...

it seems to me campaigns such as this are just business owners sore because they can't/are unwilling to compete in a changing market.

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 Post subject: Re: anti Web shopping?
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2010, 13:15 
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The first week in March 2009 sowed the seeds for what would later become a firestorm—

Monday: Oprah does a show instructing consumers to stop spending money on anything that was non-necessity

Tuesday: CBS News reports that “Consumer spending drives 70% of the economy. When consumers put their wallets away, the economy has trouble making a U-turn.



damnit mzz stop giving me things to dislike -_-

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 Post subject: Re: anti Web shopping?
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2010, 13:26 
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It's still split, I only have 1024x768 pixels to work with. :(

Personally I prefer physically going to a shop, exchanging actual money and physically carrying the goods home. Occasionally I'll order something from Amazon, but usually because it's cheaper, definitely in stock and I'm not forced to listen to shitty music while I'm browsing. (Yes yes, I do it of my own accord. Ha, ha, ha. :squint: )

The thing that worries me about online shopping is that you tend to forget the value of money. Instead of handing over cash and watching your wallet shrink, it's just numbers on a piece of paper. Also there's the danger of having your bank account raped by fraudsters, or the goods not arriving as they should - or at all, then not being able to get a refund. At least when you go to a shop you're sure what you're getting.

I still think online shopping is mainly reserved for specialist goods though, so it's probably not a threat to shops selling day-to-day crap. It's the big chain stores you need to watch out for; those are the ones destroying small businesses.

Anyway, don't the international customers paying for American exports kind of make up for the money going out? Cash is whizzing around all over the place. Though not to my house, unfortunately.

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 Post subject: Re: anti Web shopping?
PostPosted: 30 Mar 2010, 15:04 
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back in the good old days when i used to build online shops, quite a few of our clients were local businesses selling locally sourced/produced goods. they wouldn't have gotten anywhere without being able to sell online, because they weren't located in easily accessible places, didn't have shop premises, etc. the reason they continue to stay in business in a crowded marketplace is the same reason any shop does: quality products/decent customer service. it's easy to blame the internet for a high street business going under, and in some cases it may be true, but in a lot of cases it's because they offer nothing more than anyone else. and if everyone is the same, then the cheapest/easiest wins, and nowadays, that is almost always going to be online


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 Post subject: Re: anti Web shopping?
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Anyway, don't the international customers paying for American exports kind of make up for the money going out? Cash is whizzing around all over the place. Though not to my house, unfortunately.



At this point, honestly what do we make? Shitty cars? Seriously, name a couple products besides shit like Coca Cola (which is not an American brand anymore it's a transnational conglomerate that could give a shit about its country of origin)

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 Post subject: Re: anti Web shopping?
PostPosted: 31 Mar 2010, 16:50 
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lololol i never really associated america with cars in the first place mzz. to me you always have been a nation that started the mcdonalds the coca colas the starbucks etc etc etc...

and i haven't read all of that shit at the start but if a business is going under due to someone doing something better and cheaper, they're an inefficient use of resources and should be reallocated. shitsucks but that's the way it is homie.

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 Post subject: Re: anti Web shopping?
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I personally like going to the store and actually seeing what I’m buying...
Sometimes you see stuff online, buy them, and then when it gets to your house hold it´s not really what you were looking for… And that’s when you actually receive the merchandise and your credit card info doesn’t get stolen… I would have to agree with darkster… There is nothing better than carrying your own stuff home and getting to choose them wisely.

Everything now days are all about the people… Making stuff easier for the people… When actually they´re manipulating people to stay at home as long as possible for your own comfort, making them more and more anti-social and then the whole health, over weight thing, happens… and no one knows why.

With a click of a button you can get food, clothe, turn on your T.V, crap you can even clap your hands and the lights turns on! Let´s make a recap and see how much healthier were our great grandparents! Without all the great medicine we have today, they were still the healthiest people known. The more technology grows the worst human health blows. And the more medicine is created and the more side effects grow.

But hey, who can live with all the great stuff they come up with now days? It all becomes a routine. There are some great good advantages on buying stuff online, but there are some bad consequences too. I guess you would just have to gamble a little bit in life to discover what´s safe and balance consequences out.

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 Post subject: Re: anti Web shopping?
PostPosted: 25 Apr 2010, 14:31 
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mzziqztixl wrote:
At this point, honestly what do we make? Shitty cars? Seriously, name a couple products besides shit like Coca Cola (which is not an American brand anymore it's a transnational conglomerate that could give a shit about its country of origin)


America sells an enormous amounts of services( think IBM, Adsense). It's the only reason the trade deficit in the US isn't as bad as it could be.


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